Shop Mobile More Submit  Join Login
Two Faced Europe by Party9999999 Two Faced Europe by Party9999999
Said a lot doesn't it.
Add a Comment:
 
:iconneetsfagging322297:
Neetsfagging322297 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015
Links 4 the lower one?
Reply
:iconweegeetnik:
Weegeetnik Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Our game. Our rules.
Reply
:iconchampion137:
Champion137 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Can't you see that neither capitalism nor Communism is the way to go! Neither works on any level!
Reply
:iconoriginalczechball:
originalCzechball Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2015
Capitalism works in economic level, while Communism is pure utopia.
Reply
:iconchampion137:
Champion137 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015
I wouldn't agree with that, but you're not too far off. While I'm not a communist, I recognize and admire some of it's qualities. I admire the organisation, infastructure and togetherness. I also admire the equality through citizenship. That being said, there are some downsides. Due to government control, there is often censorship of free-speech(North Korea, for example). Another example is how someone could exploit the system. If everyone earns an equal wage then there's no point even getting an extremely complicated job when you can be well paid as a ditch-digger. Also, everyone is equal, yet people in positions of power get better positions.

My theory is that if we splice some of the industrial/socio-economic parts of communism, add in Socialism, add in some Left wing democracy and finally, some Humanitarian principles, I think we'd get the best system so far.

That being said, I still must state my admiration for Marx and his writings and I feel he had some really good ideas, yet I fear us westerners aren't taking his teachings on board due to the bad pr Communism has over here from the Cold War. That being said, I'm Irish, meaning I'm basically neutral in this whole thing.
Reply
:iconmclj10:
mclj10 Featured By Owner May 26, 2015
No nation has been Communist. They have all tried to instate Socialism. And equal wages isn't a thing under Communism, as under full Communism there are no wages, and there is no system of money. As for under Socialism, this is what you are looking for.
Reply
:iconoriginalczechball:
My problem with communism is that it doesn't reflect human nature. This unnatural state of existence, by the way, is what makes communism an ideology – it doesn’t reflect what’s real; it only reflects what’s imagined.

Plus, your nationality doesn't determine world views.  
Reply
:icongeminisaga5:
geminisaga5 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Student
Then what do you suppose.
Reply
:iconchampion137:
Champion137 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
There's a happy middle. One that leans a little closer to Communism. Like a communism with more freedom and still a little bit of enterprise and entrepreneurs. Germany found a happy middle, and they own Europe now!
Reply
:iconneoninja2:
Neoninja2 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
Sounds like you want Keynesian Capitalism. A good example would be Germany. (At least that''s the closest one I can think of off the top of my head.
Reply
:iconchampion137:
Champion137 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
You're close. But I'm thinking of a keynesian capitalism, with a tad bit of socializm thrown in. I think that could work. Maybe.
Reply
:iconneoninja2:
Neoninja2 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
Isn't Keynesian capitalism what I mentioned?
Reply
:iconchampion137:
Champion137 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
Yes, and I'm saying Keynesian capitalizm with a tad bit more socializm and economical balance could work. For example: In Finland, doctors and teachers BOTH get a better wage, than a lot of sportspeople. I think they're on the right track.
Reply
:iconnikolaikalashnikov:
nikolaikalashnikov Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yes
Reply
:iconsm0keshell:
sm0keshell Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Although I agree with this, I don't trust Putin at all, seems to me he wants to be another Stalin...
Reply
:icongoodygoody-shadow:
goodygoody-shadow Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
More like Putin wants to be a second False Dmitri. If he would be a second Stalin, that would imply that he gets rid of fascists in his country, is trying to unite the Asian and Eurasian peoples of Russia and does his very best to defend Russia from Western corruption. Please don't be so gullible like thousands of others as to think that Stalin was the mysterious Kaiju dictator who sent billions of people into lunar gulags or some Pasternak/Solzhenitsin bullshit like that. There's a reason why Pasternak is considered one of the worst writers out of Russia and Sholokhov wrote an open letter criticizing Solzhenitsin for spreading false information and anti-Russian propaganda. And when it comes to Sholokhov, literary genius and hero, and Solzhenitsin, some half-literate imbecile, I'm inclined to believe Sholokhov.

Putin is a European puppet who is bent on destroying the Eurasian region. Everything he says and does is treason. The only man in a high governmental position who is working in Russia's best interests in Medvedev. All that Putin does is try to show off how cool and hip he is, and meanwhile he sabotages everyone and everything.
Reply
:iconmenapia:
menapia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2014

It isn't new, look what happened to Sandino or Chico Mendes as soon as they challenged the status quo one ended up being machine gunned to death by the local National Guard on his way home, they stole his watch and buried him under an airplane landing strip while Chico ended up in a shallow grave, and Rosa Luxembourg ended up in a canal.


Your poster reminds me of one I saw dating from the 20's printed in the German Jugendstil magazine, it shows the landscape littered with dead communists, socialists etc. and in the middle a Frei korps officer stands with the caption translates as - "Cheers Noske(famous Frei Korps officer) the dangerous proletariat has been safely disarmed". p.s is it true they're pulling down Lenin statues in Ukraine again!

Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
I think you'd be interested in this
rt.com/news/ukraine-monuments-…
Reply
:iconpandaren-chaplain:
Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
In Ukraine the rebels brought down the hypocritical, thievery and ineffective authorities, led by former uneducated criminal who got all of the national wealth yo the hands of his family. Is it fashionable now to call protesters "fascists"? Unfortunately fascists were cops in armor vests with guns and hired gangsters.
Russians could offer to Ukrainians nothing but chains and money to the Yanukovich with guarantees that he will be able to rob his own people under Russia's blessing.
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
rt.com/news/ukraine-monuments-…

Are you sure there isn't a Fascist presences? 
Reply
:iconpandaren-chaplain:
Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Fascists everywhere mate. They are essential result of corruption and poverty. It'll be naive to think that some nations haven't fascists. Fortunately fascists in police uniform are defeated and prepared for Judgement day. They opened fire first and folks payed them with the same coin.
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
I'm just worried when there is such a large nazi presence in a nation that is trying to find someone to make sense of it all.
I'm not saying the protest nor all the protesters were nazi supporters, I just am afraid for my friends there. 
If you don't mind me asking, what do you think will happen?

On a different note, I love your gallery my friend ^^
Reply
:iconpandaren-chaplain:
Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They are assembly new government of people's trust. Europeans and Americans will lend 'em cash that they should pay their bills, and Russians will start to shout again that "we are brothers etc, etc, etc, don't mess with us, etc, etc, etc or we take what we want by force!" which is hardly truth because russian army is weak and corrupt as russian state. Main goal for Ukrainians for now is get those Yanukovich's bastards and his arse to the court, don't let russian nationalists split their country and get it to that kremlin scumbag midget and to pay up all bills and work for liberty and prosperity, so they could enter Europe. There is a danger of a war between Russia and Ukraine for Crimea and east regions of Ukraine, because that fucker Putin is desperate, no matter his "Olympics" over, prices in stores raised up again, people don't like him anymore, they contempt him and his government and prices on oil with gas is not enough. Ha. A little victorious war could help the situation like in Georgia. But 45 million population Ukraine is not Georgia with her 5 millions. We'll loose there and the end of Russia will be much closer. Like second Afghanistan campaign or caucasian wars we loose.
Much obliged for the watch mate, but I must warn you that I am a republican nationalist, not a socialist or communist.
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
I myself know so little about the modern relations and thoughts of Ukrainians and Russians. I just hope that Ukraine is able to become a developed and better off. But from what history has shown, this isn't the first and i doubt it will be the last time anything like this happens

I assure you my friend ideals mean nothing to me. You are a great artist and a very intelligent man. But as a heads up, a good number of my uploads are communist or Soviet related. 
By the way, I love your uniform ^^
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
I've heard rumors of American and UK representatives being present in Ukraine, the purpose for these men being there is unknown but some think they are there to "assist" is creating the new government. If these turn out to be true, what do you think the outcome will be?
Reply
:icongeopex:
Geopex Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Both the UK and the States have been pro-protester. I haven't seen any reports of UK MPs in Ukraine, but two Senators from the States - specifically John McCain and Chris Murphy - have been in Ukraine speaking in support of the protesters and closer ties to Europe.

I would assume that they are at least in support of the new government, but I'm not sure to what extent they will be involved. Let's just hope the new government is not as far-right as the protesters themselves generally were. If that is the case then I will be concerned as to the influence they might exert on the political landscape of Ukraine.
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
I to hope that no far right influence is present in their next election.
Reply
:icongeopex:
Geopex Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
It would seem that not all of Euromaiden's plans have come to fruition. What scares me it the real possibility of that being the case. There are quite a few instances of Svoboda, and other far-right organisation, presence in the protests, possibly outnumbering the centre-right. It is easy to convince the general public to accept such parties as 'freedom fighters' when it is hidden under the guise of populism.

That being said I would be more surprised if the far-right did not use its participation in the protests as rhetoric for the next election. If Svoboda ends up in the next government, that will definitely darken my view of the direction that Ukraine is heading, but only time and the Ukrainian people can reveal whether this will happen. 
Reply
:iconpkbchaz:
PKBChaz Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2014
It's sad to see what has happened since the last time we've spoken
Whats even more sad is that the situation hasn't changed.
Reply
:iconninjawerr:
ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Professional Writer
You know your pic for Ukraine has a picture of a spetznaz operative gone Duma representative... Right. 

Picture screams a thousand words, your pictures of choice, prevents argument seeing as there both Communist protests. 

I'm sorry if you take offense, I just thought you had a right to know.
Reply
:iconparty9999999:
Party9999999 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
That's a picture of Stepan Bandera the guy's holding. A Ukrainian nationalist who collaborated with the Nazis.
Also the picture is of members of the Svoboda party a far right fascist group you can see the flags.
If pictures are worth a thounad words you must be Svoboda.
Reply
:iconninjawerr:
ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Professional Writer
Then why are they carrying a picture of a Duma represenitive? 
Reply
:iconparty9999999:
Party9999999 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
Stepan Bandera was never a Duma member, the Russian Duma was disbanded when he was 6 wasn't reformed until 31 years after his death.
Reply
:iconninjawerr:
ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Professional Writer
You sure, it was active even under Stalin, it just had no power.
Reply
:iconparty9999999:
Party9999999 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2014
No it wasn't the governing body of the Soviet Union that was the Congress of Soviets and later the Supreme Soviet. the Duma was never part of the Soviet state.
Reply
:iconninjawerr:
ninjawerr Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2014  Professional Writer
Get your facts strait or don't debate. It was, it just had little to no power. 
Reply
:iconparty9999999:
Party9999999 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2014
No it didn't exists. the Supreme Soviet was the legislative body of the Soviet Union. Not the Duma.
Reply
(1 Reply)
:iconrockcoole:
Rockcoole Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So your saying we should support the corrupt now partly overthrown Ukraine government, but stop it in Bosnia?
Reply
:iconneroursus:
NeroUrsus Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A large percentage of people in the Ukraine clearly don't want to be tied to Russia and desire to become a member state of the EU. That does not make them Fascists. They are not being manipulated by the West. Your propaganda is simplistic, one sides and biased to the point of prejudice.
Reply
:icontonycocchi:
TonyCocchi Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're totally right! :D
Reply
:iconneroursus:
NeroUrsus Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks. I don't see why the 'left' is all falling over themselves in love for the Arab Brotherhood's dubious struggle and any other group of anti government forces around the world yet against this. They just hate the Western powers and support any group that is against us, even if said support contradicts their own socialist ideals and supports tyranny. The 'left' wants freedom for all as long as it's on their terms and they don't care how they get it.
Reply
:iconmido557:
mido557 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not true, you're horribly generalizing.
For example, I supported Al-Assad in Syria, and not the FSA.
Why?
Because Islamic fundamentalism in a government is just about the worst thing that can be done to an Arab nation (believe me, I'm Arab myself). Yes, he has his faults, but I'd rather support him and wait for a real people's rising rather than a US-backed terrorist force to further destabilize the Middle East.

The situation in Ukraine however is very different. The half close to Russia wants to stick to Russia, while the half closer to mainland Europe wants to join the EU. To be honest, I don't like either Russia or the EU. Both are Imperialist powers, but Russia is "the shinier out of the two turds", so-to-speak. If Ukraine sticks with Russia, they will heavily benefit from the Customs Union, but if they join the EU, they'll be raped of their resources, exploited for cheap labour and doomed to horrible unemployment and poverty for many years to come. Basically, the same occurred in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Romania and Greece; look how well they turned out.

I'm am confused as to what you mean by "as long as it's on their terms" though, so I'll refrain from commenting on that.
Reply
:iconneroursus:
NeroUrsus Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"On their terms" means freedom based only upon their ideology of socialism/communism.
Reply
:iconmido557:
mido557 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Woops, I meant "I am", not I'm am XD
Reply
:icontwiggierjet:
Twiggierjet Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
When did the Bosnia thing happen?
Reply
:iconblackstrike:
blackstrike Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Professional Photographer
It is still happening.
Reply
:iconmuslimgoku:
MuslimGoku Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
This makes me wonder how Putin's whole "Eurasian Union" idea will be effected.
Reply
:iconjoeisbadass:
joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Not anymore logical an argument than melkor13.deviantart.com/art/Do…
Reply
:icondaneofscandinavy:
DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
I can definitely see the problem wit this, and yes, it is kind of two-faced. However, these situtions aren't the same, and I'm skeptical of whether they can really be compared like this. And supporting far-left extremists is not really a good idea.
Reply
:iconjohnnyx-o:
JohnnyX-O Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
This is how things work , it's sad that they do work like this or even at all. But hey ... if people accept this as there fate then they accept to be cattle and if you are cattle you are disposable at any given time. This is what people don't see and won't see until it may be to late to change the weals of time and the drums of fate.
Reply
Add a Comment:
 
×




Details

Submitted on
February 22, 2014
Image Size
978 KB
Resolution
1094×1347
Link
Thumb
Embed

Stats

Views
3,906
Favourites
65 (who?)
Comments
68
Downloads
15
×