No regards to human rights
A soceity where everyone is poor
The small nations with the best models of socialism survived the collapse in the '90s and will still stand when the USA and Canada devolve into fascism.
Have fun in the orwellian future of Capitalism.
I see you have anarchist communists among your watchers, and I don't understand how anyone could be that deluded. I mean, how could any anarchist be okay with the shit which Soviet Union has done? As anarcho-capitalist, I'd rather expect them to accept the system where they actually are allowed to create collectivist groups with shared property (which they could freely do in anarcho-capitalism) rather than the system where they would be treated as trash.
Not only that, but I also avoid misusing the word 'communism'. I avoid using it to refer to totalitarian dictatorships that hijacked the word. I avoid bringing the undeserved hate upon communism, so at least I do something good for real communists.
Also, the way you use the word 'fascist' is very offensive, it's just the way the soviets say 'nigger'. That's how the soviets used to refer to their slaves. Sure, it's okay to use any word in a non-derogatory way, such as "yo, what's crackin', ma' fascist?" or "how's it goin', ma' nigga?", but that's not how you use it.
True capitalist to the soul, 'till the bullet hole.
You seriously don't know shit about economy and politics am I right?
Capitalism is one of the most equal, the best system ever created - in free market everyone gets an equal chance, you're being a moron if you think society where everyone is dirt poor and is eating their own shit is better?
Communism never worked, and it never will you moron.
It's depressing and funny at the same time.
"They are poor" - there are many opportunities to elevate in capitalist society, you shouldn't expect raising a family while working at KFC.
"Weren't born into a rich family" - so, in capitalist system you can either be born in poor, rich or middle-class family? In communism everyone is equaly poor with nothing they could do to elevate themselves on market.
"Aren't given good education, can't afford healthcare" - and how is it free healthcare and good education you moron? You're paying it with your taxes, it's still capitalist, but it's worse than free-market alternative. The single-payer (healthcare provided by country) results in higher costs, inefficiency, longer waiting for care and denial of service to some. In nationalist health care the costs are raising up because alot of people are abusing and feel more dependent. Soviet hospitals were infamous for their apathy and disregard for life.
You're bitching about poor people being denied the healthcare in freemarket, bullshit.
We should be able to let low income people pay for care in the way they pay for food (foodstamps). They should be able to take whatever Medicaid pays and add to it, paying market prices.
When wealthy people are getting richer then they also spend more, it's a cycle. And them getting wealthier raises overall income of their workers.
In Communism there is no need to elevate, and there is no market. Same in Socialism
Which is why healthcare systems in Communist lead nations usually doubled the life expectancy in decades, and that is why all nations equal to or above the US in life expectancy charts have at least a partially nationalised health system.
Care to explain how someone else getting rich makes someone else not poor? Considering the fact that the worlds 85 richest people have the same amount of wealth as the 3,500,000,000 poorest I don't think that logic works.
Yeah, because there is no competition and no market and everyone is poor as dirt. No one has jobs and wise people not existant, you're also promoting censorship and you're anti individual.
It's not about healthcare, it's about citizens and why people are dying. You have only two pure communist countries nowadays, China and South Korea - both citizens are fucked. Europe is also getting fucked because of the socialist experiment they just had to implement, everyone is getting poorer and swimming in shit.
Ah, also to your nationalised health system argument - that's why for over 20 years we are all struggling with economic issues?
You're using bogus extremes. I'm talking about big bosses of corporations or even smaller ones. And as I said - the money speeds up consumption which lets money back into the system.
Of course, it's quite simple really. If the company you are working for is getting profits then they use money to improve their enviroment, profits and standard of life of their workers.
And thus capitalism: Many University educated people must work in Mcdonalds whilst Mr "I didn't finish high school" gets €4000 a month. Because Capitalism rewards those who deserve it.
"Yeah, because there is no competition and no market and everyone is poor as dirt. No one has jobs and wise people not existant, you're also promoting censorship and you're anti individual."
There is competition, much competition, people are encouraged to work hard or harder than others. Not only that but economic competition isn't the only competition. Poor as dirt? Yeah, because Socialist Albania's GDP didn't go up 29% faster than the world average and 56% faster than the European average between 1960 and 1970 (Sarcasm, it in fact did). no wise people? Thats why the USSR's space program was so good. Capitalism is is pro-censorship and anti-individual.
"You have only two pure communist countries nowadays, China and South Korea"
"Europe is also getting fucked because of the socialist experiment they just had to implement,"
If you think Europe is socialist, think again.
"Ah, also to your nationalised health system argument - that's why for over 20 years we are all struggling with economic issues?"
Probably not no. Maybe something to do with austerity, or the corporations that took stupid risks, destroyed the economy and made the taxpayers bail them out.
"And as I said - the money speeds up consumption which lets money back into the system."
Sooooo another company gets the money. Still don't see that other guy not being poor.
"If the company you are working for is getting profits then they use money to improve their enviroment, profits and standard of life of their workers."
Which very few to no companies do because it's not within their interests to do so, because they could just use that money to pay themselves and be rich.
3. : racism and sexism are part of the character of someone - the only racism and sexism you can combat are in the law and in the education; Everything else either follows or can't really be changed.
There's no way you can change someone into being a better person : Asshole stays asshole.
4. : To say we'll all be equal is unrealistic and in some aspects (like biology) just not a good thing to reach - instead, like I said, equality under the law and in education should be the goal.
Conservatives will never understand liberals, exactly the way liberals can't really understand conservatives - both systems have good and bad ideas.
(though I got to say that most conservative ideas look like utter horseshit to me - like conservative nationalism and a completely free market for instance - and history has cearly shown them to be horrible)
1. They don't want to pay taxes.
2. They are greedy assholes.
3. They are secretly racist and sexist.
4. They don't care about society.
It's fun to list how dumb the upper cass is
1. Taxes aren't good for shit
2. and your Corrupt masters aren't not??
3. Slander and bribed accusation lies
4. you got that reversed
Upper cass?? it's Class You Yokel Capitalism is Death Socialism is Liberation!!!!!!!!!
2. Corrupted masters? Herein Finland? Da fug do you mean!?
3. A radical example, I admit. Not all rich people are. But if you are rich and powerful, you can get away with almost everything, even with racist or sexist comments.
4. A working society needs everyone in it to help and support each other. People who avoid the payment of taxes are keeping part of the nations wealth, that could be used to provide free schooling, health care, public transport, social services etc.
Oh sorry for one small incorrect word, mein grammar Führer
2. Even Finland has a black sheep amoung it's herd remember every herd always has a black sheep amoung them
3. not if they are taken down by a rogue faction
4. And why aren't those services Free?? Because of chains of taxes and regulations made to slow and deviate and stupify the common folk from the upper class
Capitalism is Not the answer to everything only money is gained and with money comes greed and greed breeds corruption your Capitalistic logic is Invalid
Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system. This may refer to extending principles of democracy in the economy (such as through cooperatives or workplace democracy), or may simply refer to trends of socialism that emphasise democratic principles as inalienable from their political project.
There is no exact definition of democratic socialism. Some forms of democratic socialism overlap with social democracy, while other forms reject social democratic reformism in favor of more revolutionary methods, and overlap with Revolutionary Socialism.
Some definitions simply refer to all forms of socialism that follow a gradual, reformist or evolutionary path to socialism, rather than a revolutionary one. Often, this definition is invoked to distinguish democratic socialism from Stalinist socialism, as in Donald Busky's Democratic Socialism: A Global Survey, Jim Tomlinson's Democratic Socialism and Economic Policy: The Attlee Years, 1945-1951, Norman Thomas Democratic Socialism: a new appraisal or Roy Hattersley's Choose Freedom: The Future of Democratic Socialism.
2. Public schools don't work either. One only has to read any new article from Philly to understand that; our schools have been floundering for YEARS but keep squealing for more money when we're already dumping it at them. Just look at this pie chart and tell me with a straight face that's not enough. www.pahousegop.com/Display/Sit…
3. I concede that racism and sexism are issues, but they're nowhere near as prevalent as they used to be. It's also worth noting that racism and sexism are at least somewhat genetically hardwired into us. I'll have to dig up the source for that, if anyone asks.
4. See, the issue with making everyone equal is that you have to cater to the lowest common denominator. If everyone was truly equal, EVERYONE WOULD BE A DUMBASS!!! Read a good little short story on that once; the government used chips to inhibit people's intelligence so they'd all be on the same, dumber than a kindergartener footing.
U.S.A is Capitalist now let me show you how policies are in diffrent cities that believe in one of thise in catergories as in USA's Capitalism and the former USSR's beliefs Communism(Without tyrants intervining)
Location:South American Countries and United States of America, China's goverment also( China's political standing not taken into account)
Political standing: Capitalist (Communist rebellions exept for Cuba is complete communist)
Corruption: Massive & wide spread
Reason: Laws enforced by corrupted officials and un-controlled Drug cartels & Drug Warlords and Crime sydicates running rampant and free to do as they wish
Location: Canada and Most west-europian countries
Political standing: mostly Communist ideals (pretending to be Capitalist for Anti-communist USA)
Corruption: Very low and far in between
Reason: everybody gets Healthcare and Education support and nobody is hostile
Surwey says: DO THE MATH!!!! COMMUNISM RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!
It's obvious you know sh*t about economy, or even what you want to believe.
Europe's economic situation is broken because of their socialist experiment, every country you listed as "communist" is not communist at all. It has free market and leftist ideals, which are not against capitalism.
U.S.A. was FEARED among the nations, they thought Bush is going to drop big ones on any country that decides to f*ck with them, you know what ruined it? Leftists aka. your communists, and it went down the gutter.
because we care for the Low and down trotten. a happy people is a strong people
i didn't expect for you to understand
that means the Commies saved the world once again They stopped the Nazi bastards and stopped Bush for Nuking the world your logic is Flawed more than a Zig-zag knife
Don't even CALL PEOPLE WHO KILLED NAZIS COMMIES, don't even motherfucking try or I'll punch you with power of thousands of fists.
First of all, commies fought with almost all nations spreading "communism" love, trying to spread their rotten culture and ideology. Just like nazis, but actual people who stopped them are Poles and USA with help of France and UK.
Actually USA was better off during Bush than it is now, people were scared he'll drop a big one on them. But now people shit on america cause voters are left winged pussies.
You don't even know if I'm coming from a rich family you bloody idiot, I know shit about economy because I'm supposed to specialize in it. Also learn how to 'spoken'.
Please call me racist because I don't agree with your dumb ideologies that would fuck up modern world. Please do, it's quite funny.
My roots are slavic, so yes - my ancestors lived in tribes too.
Communism as an idea is okay, actually in some of my books there are small societies that work in a form of it. However when you apply it with a vast number of humans. Let's just say people start to get tired of getting less than what they worked, and supporting the lazy. Not all jobs are the same. And once you put a human in charge of something, it eventually falls apart. Humans are naturally greedy. The onse that were not greedy was massacred about 200 years ago.
But I prefer to be responsible for my own living, not someone else. And I am on the low end of the totem poll when it comes to class. But I have the opportunity to climb it. With Communism, can you climb a ladder and improve your living? Or are you stuck on the same level, regardless how hard you work, for the sake of keeping people equal?
>Is cussed out for it without argument
even more toplel.
>Mistakes socialism for Communism
>should do research lel
Nowhere have I stated that socialism is the same as Marxism or any of its implementations that are widely described as communism.
I myself could be described as 'economically left' as I do have a strong support for welfare.
I have researched enough about communism. And while I myself lack the empathy to disregard ideologies because of their death count. I simply disagree with communism.
But I do consider those deaths as important. They tell us something.
Lenin: 11 million
Stalin: 40 million
Mao: 60 million
And these are just examples. When reading about Mao, well, besides being a cruel wank I am convinced most of the deaths caused by him are just his stupid self trying to implement the ideology and failing terribly.
Lenin was probably just cruel, but perhaps had the same mind-set as for example the authoritarian leader Adolf Hitler. Both used camps as a punishment, Why Lenin's death toll greatly exceeds that Adolf's is probably because Russia is one hell of a big country. While strongly disregarding communism, I must say I don’t believe Lenin didn’t care about his people. He worked 16 hours a day, and his heart attack was speculated to be the cause of stress. So like I said, probably just because of authoritarian rule. Still to be taken seriously but it is a different thing.
Stalin... Stalin was a smart guy. But in no way did he care for his people. Where at some points Russian leaders forced entire populations of ethnicities out of their native land to repress Nationalism (which is still horrible), Stalin saw a rise of nationalism in the Ukraine and thought 'hey, why not take the easy way?' and killed 7,5 million Ukrainians through starvation which is known as the Holodomor. Further horrors of Stalin included aiding the Polish forces in purging ethnic-Germans that were forced to live there after the treaty of Versailles, having the secret police pick up random innocents so they could be executed on film (after they were forced to admit their fictional crimes, as to create a false image), and many many civilians targeted for deportation to gulags or execution because of their supposed 'threat' to the nation. Intellectuals, high ranking officers, people with important positions of power... because perhaps they would conspire to overthrow Stalin, yes?
Stalin had no regard for human decency and was a terrible man. Even Lenin sais this. In Lenin's last testament, he said that Stalin had to be removed from his position of power at all costs, for he had qualities that were 'unfit for a man in his positon'. Stalin and his followers made sure that Lenin's last testament would never be read aloud to the 13th Party Congress as was Lenin's will. Stalin was a smart man. He was able to govern. But, with such extreme inhumanity that everyone else who did not bow to his will completely (and even those completely innocent) paid the price.
These 3 caused deaths by implementing the ideology. Anti-nationalism, the enforcing of equality on all areas, and the abolishment property- people were a resource used and owned by the government. People weren’t people anymore.
I suggest that if you want to see the undeniable and peaceful success of communism, you should go live in North-Korea. I would definitely be willing to hear from you then, if they haven’t taken away international contact through internet to censor things...