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The Abusive Nation and Battered People. by Party9999999 The Abusive Nation and Battered People. by Party9999999
It is said to go against your nation is 'defeatism' it is treason against the state.
But who's country is it. The ruling class alone controls the states and identifies all of society with its own class interests. The masses have little to no control over the actions of their nation's actions.
This relationship is unhealthy, get out it.
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:icondigiquilldraws:
DigiquillDraws Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2014  Hobbyist
Simple. Love the country hate the rulers. You Communists do understand the difference between a Country and it's government don't you?
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:iconhailmyself:
HailMyself Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013
That why Revolution exist. To make thing right. And thank Heaven that Vietnam Revolution not end up like Russia (all Royal family been kill without mercy).
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:iconpictishwarlord13:
PictishWarlord13 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013
How can we help our country if we hate it? Do socialists go around hating the countries they are supposed to be bettering? Or is this that whole "workers across international borders" thing?

We can see that our nation, our way of life, and our economics has gaps that need to be addressed. We will fix these because we love our country and its people. We just need to send up more people who give a damn about the rest of the people. (I'm from America, but I tried to generalize my statement).
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:iconprincesselemix:
PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013
Government =/= Country.

People love their country because of it's culture, natural beauty and for it's people.
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:iconmaster-of-the-boot:
Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Poverty, decreased unemployment insurance, yeah things are wonderful in my country.
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:iconkomisariopalmu:
KomisarioPalmu Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Your nation does not hate you, the goverment might hate you, but a real nationalist does not love goverments, a real nationalist loves the country he/she is born and lives.
You can always try to change the world you're living in. These pictures on the other hand do not help, except they promote anti-nationalist thoughts and some sort of rebellion. I do not say that goverments like in USA are any good at all, but loving your country should be nothing wrong.
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:iconsuffer360:
Suffer360 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
All countries have screwed over their people at least one point in their lives. So I feel like this poster wasn't that particularly effective.
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:iconguaglione:
guaglione Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Good point, everyone loves to hate on their country or the church for things they have done in the past. But how maybe of us can put aside all that to find solutions, myself included I would say.
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:iconsuffer360:
Suffer360 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
I put aside the past when the problem is fixed in the future. Like slavery and poor working conditions.
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:iconguaglione:
guaglione Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah I think dissent is fine, but when it does nothing more than just point the finger towards a vague idea of a "ruling class" I am lost on the point.
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:iconsuffer360:
Suffer360 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Everyone looks for a escape goat when a problem has arisen.
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:icondurtydeeds93:
DurtyDeeds93 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'd like to use a goat to escape, but I hear cars are better.
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:iconsuffer360:
Suffer360 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Why stop there? Perhaps we could use a plane or even a rocket to escape.
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:iconguaglione:
guaglione Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Do not lament what your nation has done wrong forever, but aspire to work to make it a better place.

ha'
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:iconsuffer360:
Suffer360 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Wise words. Have a cookie.
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:iconmaragrizx:
MaragrizX Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Every country on the planet has wronged it's own people at one point or another. Of course it isn't perfect, such is life itself. And no bullshit ideology imagine by mankind will even change that.

Funny, the excuse of a communist for what he does "It's the will of the people." sounds A LOT like "It's the will of God."
So you re-package the same lie. Congrats, you can rip off theology.
It's an excuse for man to justify the evil he does. Profit, Religious beliefs, equality, whatever. It's all bullshit ment for the mindless drones
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:iconmarksongbird:
MarkSongBird Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
Spoken like the anti-american bigot you are.
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:iconwaracki99:
Waracki99 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
psssh, don't cry! We know how peaceful and democracy you're country is!
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
This has nothing to do with America, it's a statement against nationalism. Why not shelve your jingoistic dogma for a bit yeah?
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:icondurtydeeds93:
DurtyDeeds93 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I think Americans have the bigotry award on lockdown. Bombing Asian peoples overseas and all that. Speaking as an American.
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:icontheinimitableecypher:
TheInimitableECypher Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If I could like or :+fav: this comment, I'd do so.
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:iconmarksongbird:
MarkSongBird Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Yes there are many Americans like you who are anti-american bigots too.
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:icondurtydeeds93:
DurtyDeeds93 Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
"Americanism" is a fascist concept. Shove it, I don't like the culture, no one has to.
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:iconwaracki99:
Waracki99 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
Culture of America is 250+ years old, and it's full of wars, blood, and tyrany..
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:iconoddtechcomrade:
OddtechComrade Featured By Owner May 16, 2013   General Artist
Not all of the photos are American events tho' eh?
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:iconmarksongbird:
MarkSongBird Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Does not change the fact that :iconparty9999999: is a anti-american bigot.
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:iconwaracki99:
Waracki99 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
We have no right to say yours option? Well, that's fascist...
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:iconoddtechcomrade:
OddtechComrade Featured By Owner May 17, 2013   General Artist
So why mention that he is "an anti-American bigot" in a context where he is not directly attacking America?
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Actually it does, because there's no connection at all for precisely the reason OddtechComrade mentioned.
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
What exactly is the ruling class? How is it defined in the (communist) ideal? Is it he/she whom controls political or industrial power? Or possibly a combination of both? Since I own stock in a series of companies, does it make me part of the ruling class? Since I can influence people, does it make me part of the ruling class?

Please, don't hesitate to explain.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
You are a stockholder which is essentially bourgeois, yeah - but it's not the capitalist class/bourgeoisie that is the problem so much as the system (Capitalism) which requires it to exist. Under capitalism, it is good sense to exploit others for personal gain and seek profit, honestly to make the best in society you probably should buy as much as stock as possible and make maximal profit. This is not an indictment of the greed of the individual so much as the system.
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, when I purchase stock, my mind isn't in it for money; good sir.

I purchase it, knowing that I try to support a research facility to assist humanity through scientific development and research; along with a few industrial companies looking to expand their lengths to poorer countries to (inevitably gain profit, yes) help out the emerging or struggling economy.

There are those who follow the system for their own desires, and there are those who follow for the betterment of a whole, in their own perception.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Of course! Many stockholders are wonderful people. It's not a battle of good versus evil; Marxism has nothing to say on morality. The point that you've just outlined very well is that in order to help people in that way, you have to invest and make profit (therefore engaging in the process of labour exploitation) in order to donate it. The profit accumulation system as a basis of production is what capitalism is. Without private corporations that made profit capitalism wouldn't exist. Lots of good capitalists that donate money to charities/the poor etc are out there but it doesn't change the fundamentally destructive and unequal dynamic capitalism requires. This is why it is capitalism that must be destroyed for the sake of humanity, not capitalists.

If private property (by which I mean capital: Factories, warehouses, ice cream trucks, offices, businesses, mines, that sort of thing, not personal property) was abolished, capitalism would cease to exist, because private profit would be impossible to accumulate and thus the exploitation of working people would end.
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I have yet to see (personally, never through a model,) an effective way of ridding private property fully, and having the entire population benefit equally. Of course, I have spent little time exploring too much into depth about the matter, I will admit.

In a sense though, I (personally, somewhat biased) think that people should have a certain right to own a business. If it is for the matters of prestige, or profit, or greed, is their own problem. If people wish to contribute to them, then I would think that it is the peoples' own fault for doing so. Of course, respectively, one must take in the fact of pressure and corruption, in which I can't clearly define (as I never was able to,) but if they assist a community (or country, city, state) they should be allowed to follow as they please, of course with regulations intact.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
It's not that I want to ban capital, just destroy private ownership of it, allow it to be owned by everyone
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ComradeLither Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Essentially, in Marxist philosophy it's those who own and control the means of production. They, under a capitalist system, are able to accumulate extraordinary wealth and thus the economic power associated with it. This then gives them the political power to make rules favouring them at the expense of those who do not have as much political power (the proletariat).

Though in my opinion a modern democracy does have a slight advantage in it due to a politician who blatantly favours the rich finding themselves going a la Margaret Thatcher.
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Hm. I see the sense then. I have a certain held respect for those who follow such policies though; they at least are honest about their words.

But that being set aside, I agree in a sense that those who gain wealth do seem to use it to favor themselves politically; even though in the real voting world it has never gotten itself much attention, other than that one billionaire a decade or two ago.
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:iconmamonth:
Mamonth Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
I disagree.
There is a huge difference between "country" (homeland) and "state".
Big mistake to mistake these things.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Legally speaking not really... though Scotland/Wales are countries and not states. A country is a geographical territory and may or may not be politically autonomous from the legal/political state entity.
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:iconsetzaroth2:
setzaroth2 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
you must be new here, communism has failed
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:iconmaster-of-the-boot:
Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
so it must be communism that's crashed the global economy and driving more and more people every day into poverty
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Capitalism has failed
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, I think for the point that it still exists... It hasn't. At the very least yet.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
...so in that sense it has never failed, either
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Makes sense.
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
Very fair point - on those same grounds I'd argue that communism as I understand it (from the writings of Marx) has never existed; ie global capitalism has never been overthrown.
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
True, but I suppose the risks for most people are too great to try new things. Remember, people were pissed off with the idea of Mercantilism before Smith collected the new idea. (of course, a foundation for it, very... able to be taken advantage of, but nevertheless)
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:iconbttlrp:
bttlrp Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
I agree, which has led me to a great pessimism about the achievement of revolution :/
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:iconinfinitywarriorinc:
infinitywarriorinc Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Revolution is such a harsh word, it brings to my mind images of people savagely beating people; both the people and the government alike, bringing to civil disorder. I wish it were only used as a last resort, but people don't seem to like giving the idea a chance.
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DurtyDeeds93 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Stalinism, Leninism and Marxism were all State run and had an element of Capitalism. In the academic sense not true Communism at all, as far as I can recall though, Capitalism has failed plenty of times and is and always has been on Government life support via Charters, Lobbying and use of Public resources to sustain robber barons to this day.
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