the problem is there is only one well known success of socialism by name in history: the Nationalist, Socialist, German, Workers, Party! people use this as their example from my experience, i mean sadly that is the one thing people keep saying "socialism is what the nazis used, look at them!" and I have to sigh, that is the only way people would know, so I can't really provide proof without sounding like a fanatic, which disproves everything I could say.
yeah but no one ever thinks of that one off the bat, (not that they shouldn't) but think about it, it's like how people say "Ben Franklin discovered Electricity!" or "Henry Ford made the automobile!" Neither are true, but they are the first and foremost ones that come to mind, and sadly not in our time (if the past is an indicator) will this factor change. and i sound like a ranting Lunatic right now, trying to provide a point as to why I should't have to sound like one! I mean it's just like a vicious cycle. which is a shame as socialism can work off paper (unlike communism) and provide as promised with corrections made time to time to prevent the beginning laws from fading in meaning, much better than Communism or capitalism ( in respects to their own successes and shortcomings) and not to mention the only socialist parties in The United states are either A: associated with the fascists of Germany's past, or B: not at all powerful or willing to step into the lime light a bit, just kind of sitting it out on the sideline.
you have no idea how many people misuse the term socialism without even pointing out the good and bad of it and just says they hate it, and also i found a picture that says something about " european style socialism" even though most of European is mostly capitalist, especially france.
Socialism has a very broad meaning, encapsulating everything from far-left (communism) to center-left (social-democracy, what you call "fake" European style socialism), just as conservatism encompasses everything from fascism to moderate center-right politics. Deal with it. The word "communism" exists and has a more precise definition that fits your unilateral vision of socialism so use this word instead. It exists for a reason. Let "socialism" exist in all its richness and -yes- contradictions.
I'm from the UK and we have socialised healthcare. I understand that there is a lot of propaganda against this in the American media. Is that right? I don't understand why anyone would want anything else.
The NHS has its problems, but these are not due to its being socialised. They are other factors (often stemming from capitalist sources). We have private healthcare if people wish to use it, but most people don't.
If people from the UK talk online to people from the US and mention their support for a socialist healthcare system, they often get called "communist". It's quite surreal. America has socialised schooling, police service, fire service, libraries etc. Do they not recognise this? I get asked "Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's healthcare?" … my answer is "Because the privileged looking after those in the most need is fundamental to a civilised society". Imagine if children born into poor families didn't call the fire service to rescue their baby sister from their burning house because they couldn't afford the fees or couldn't afford to call the police when they were being attacked. It's ridiculous.
the problem is People here in the US have a good memory, that is sadly often biased by the past's own views. so we immediately (see above comments by myself for these points too) hear socialism and go on the attack. It doesn't help that it's only real famous proponents one can name off hand with no research is michael Moore (Who I detest) and of course those who wore the swastika. so sadly it gets immediately demonized.
good god fox! This is why I get my news for the US from the BBC, and get my laughs from: (and in this order) FOX, CNN, the russian news network, and lastly (since my buddy manages to get it since he lives way out in Kentucky, a beautiful little ÜBER conservative newsletter called the Lantern Lighter (it's the most oddly biased and yet not vicious thing ever, although calling people by racially hurtful names in it still)
Socialists are as funny watching as it is to watch Creationists arguing with the evil evolutionists. You cannot use a standard dictionary, you have to use their own version of words and definitions or all the meaning goes into the trashcan where it belongs!
I don't know what Socialism really is and I don't give a fuck but I can tell you this : It's wont work ... it hasn't worked and it will never work. Any system that gives the state - ie the rich - power will never work. EVER !! The State by it's definition is a system of force that has to be escalated in order too establish order.
It's very weird that the Universe has no real laws ... just look at black hole , that brakes the law of gravity any day and let's not even mention that fact that if gravity is a universal constant then we should be dead by now because 1- the sun and 2 - the core of the universe - but it sill functions and very successfully may I add. It's all about mechanisms and individuality and the survival of the ... well of none if you think about it.
1) You confuse socialism with communism. You can actually have a socialist monarchy. Communism is the one (ideally) without central power. People are so massively confused that it's sad. All you have to do to remember which is which is to look at the damn letters (sorry): SOCIALism COMMUNism When people ignore the logic contained in language, things get messy, because ideas are miscommunicated. And they are VERY messy.
1 - Yep ... that's because most of humanity we wear made to believe we need a leader , a commander to guide us. But in most cases the leader was just a puppet of others people. They wear the ones that demanded a leader and now everyone is asking for one but back then none that "poor" demanded one. They demanded peace , so they chose war.
2 - A law is something that is obey everywhere but there are different types of back holes , galaxy's , suns ...
That's like saying god never existed ... I know that , but can you say that to the BILLION that believe in him ? No ... never understatement the power of people to believe in something that it doesn't exist. And again ... all this systems that have huge theoretical potential are turned outside out by human nature ... typical. And about the state State Socialism ... well that's all around us now. The state can't ever mess with society and family but it does now - just look at the American Family ... it's turning into SHIT !!
To be fair, Euro Communism is a legitimate line of thought. However, the whole "European style Socialism" thing is all too often a jibe at the European Union's less successful policies. And we all know just how Socialist the EU is, now don't we? What with being a predominantly financial and customs union, centered around varying market economies. Not to mention the unwavering commitment to upholding and expanding that whole NATO thing...
Yes, but it´s all going to it´s logical ending. ĦBulgaria is in the team! (We´ve been with the Central powers (WW1), Axis (WW2), Soviet block\ Warsaw pact (they were tough- it took us decades)... And now EU and NATO let us in )