the problem is there is only one well known success of socialism by name in history: the Nationalist, Socialist, German, Workers, Party! people use this as their example from my experience, i mean sadly that is the one thing people keep saying "socialism is what the nazis used, look at them!" and I have to sigh, that is the only way people would know, so I can't really provide proof without sounding like a fanatic, which disproves everything I could say.
you have no idea how many people misuse the term socialism without even pointing out the good and bad of it and just says they hate it, and also i found a picture that says something about " european style socialism" even though most of European is mostly capitalist, especially france.
Socialism has a very broad meaning, encapsulating everything from far-left (communism) to center-left (social-democracy, what you call "fake" European style socialism), just as conservatism encompasses everything from fascism to moderate center-right politics. Deal with it. The word "communism" exists and has a more precise definition that fits your unilateral vision of socialism so use this word instead. It exists for a reason. Let "socialism" exist in all its richness and -yes- contradictions.
I'm from the UK and we have socialised healthcare. I understand that there is a lot of propaganda against this in the American media. Is that right? I don't understand why anyone would want anything else.
The NHS has its problems, but these are not due to its being socialised. They are other factors (often stemming from capitalist sources). We have private healthcare if people wish to use it, but most people don't.
If people from the UK talk online to people from the US and mention their support for a socialist healthcare system, they often get called "communist". It's quite surreal. America has socialised schooling, police service, fire service, libraries etc. Do they not recognise this? I get asked "Why should my taxes go to pay for someone else's healthcare?" … my answer is "Because the privileged looking after those in the most need is fundamental to a civilised society". Imagine if children born into poor families didn't call the fire service to rescue their baby sister from their burning house because they couldn't afford the fees or couldn't afford to call the police when they were being attacked. It's ridiculous.
Socialists are as funny watching as it is to watch Creationists arguing with the evil evolutionists. You cannot use a standard dictionary, you have to use their own version of words and definitions or all the meaning goes into the trashcan where it belongs!
I don't know what Socialism really is and I don't give a fuck but I can tell you this : It's wont work ... it hasn't worked and it will never work. Any system that gives the state - ie the rich - power will never work. EVER !! The State by it's definition is a system of force that has to be escalated in order too establish order.
It's very weird that the Universe has no real laws ... just look at black hole , that brakes the law of gravity any day and let's not even mention that fact that if gravity is a universal constant then we should be dead by now because 1- the sun and 2 - the core of the universe - but it sill functions and very successfully may I add. It's all about mechanisms and individuality and the survival of the ... well of none if you think about it.
1) You confuse socialism with communism. You can actually have a socialist monarchy. Communism is the one (ideally) without central power. People are so massively confused that it's sad. All you have to do to remember which is which is to look at the damn letters (sorry): SOCIALism COMMUNism When people ignore the logic contained in language, things get messy, because ideas are miscommunicated. And they are VERY messy.
1 - Yep ... that's because most of humanity we wear made to believe we need a leader , a commander to guide us. But in most cases the leader was just a puppet of others people. They wear the ones that demanded a leader and now everyone is asking for one but back then none that "poor" demanded one. They demanded peace , so they chose war.
2 - A law is something that is obey everywhere but there are different types of back holes , galaxy's , suns ...
That's like saying god never existed ... I know that , but can you say that to the BILLION that believe in him ? No ... never understatement the power of people to believe in something that it doesn't exist. And again ... all this systems that have huge theoretical potential are turned outside out by human nature ... typical. And about the state State Socialism ... well that's all around us now. The state can't ever mess with society and family but it does now - just look at the American Family ... it's turning into SHIT !!
To be fair, Euro Communism is a legitimate line of thought. However, the whole "European style Socialism" thing is all too often a jibe at the European Union's less successful policies. And we all know just how Socialist the EU is, now don't we? What with being a predominantly financial and customs union, centered around varying market economies. Not to mention the unwavering commitment to upholding and expanding that whole NATO thing...
Yes, but it´s all going to it´s logical ending. ĦBulgaria is in the team! (We´ve been with the Central powers (WW1), Axis (WW2), Soviet block\ Warsaw pact (they were tough- it took us decades)... And now EU and NATO let us in )
Americans are like this because they are manipulated to be like this ... and it's very true that if you are manipulated in this age you are in 99% to blame because the information is all there but you are to lazy to search for it !!
One day they will realize there stupidly but the powers at be have made sure that every child they have will be there slave ... debt = slavery - it always did and it always be like that ... and America has a lot of it. More so then every other nation in human history - about 200 Trillion if the Banks go under witch means that the state gets there debt.