People ... how gives a fuck what the man did ? He was just a terrorist plain and simple , nothing less. Did he sell arms on the black market ? Yes. Did he killed a lot of innocent people ? Yes but he did it for the freedom of his country. Ok ... Do South African's live better then in the apartheid ? Ho gives a FUCK ... they are free ! Now that the country is in the hands a few very rich Africans the country is in the hands of Africans. Do this people care about the well-being of there Africans brothers ? No ... but they are better because they are Black. I like how the Mass Media feeds you clowns CRAP and you assholes like it. This man was the enemy of the west for a long time and then something happen that demanded to change the narrative so he become the friend of the west and everything he did and they said he did went away. This man was a friend of Gaddafi. Obama was his admirer for his actions - that has no big meaning now but when you clowns see what Obama has done to your country ( USA ) and the world he will be in a nuclear bunker because you will all want him dead , or maybe you will welcome the bringer of the final nail in the west demise. You people are weird like that. So in the end it doesn't matter how Mendala was , it only matter that you watch the NEWS and never go in South Africa to see how the real people live now and ask them what is better - I don't claim to know what is better because I don't really care , I only need to know that the country is in the hands of people that think the same way as before. With that I know everything !
If you paid attention, this man was in jail at the time of this story arose. It was propaganda against the Freedom movement to issue that they don't care about women. However it backfired in South Africa because people knew that Mandela was in jail at the time.
And sure you claim innocents, but you probably vote for the Republican party conservatives who actively blame victims of rape for "being in the wrong place at the wrong time."
"If you paid attention, this man was in jail at the time of this story arose. It was propaganda against the Freedom movement to issue that they don't care about women. However it backfired in South Africa because people knew that Mandela was in jail at the time."
If YOU paid attention, the perpetrators were part of the group Mandela started, and he himself called for violence in their movement (not to mention his then-wife, Winnie, was a well-known advocate of it), so nice try. That was on top of the Umkhonto we Sizwe's bombing campaign which mostly killed random civilians, but hey, all's a-okay when the commies are the perps, right?
"And sure you claim innocents, but you probably vote for the Republican party conservatives who actively blame victims of rape for "being in the wrong place at the wrong time."
And you follow a movement (collectivism) that's helped perpetrate some of the greatest mass murders in history, so as always, kiss my ass and go fuck yourself. Either put your balls where your mouth is or shut up.
"I pity your failure."
Considering what you collectivists view as success, thanks for the compliment, chum.
Collectivists have caused the greatest mass-murders of all? Shall I mention that the Crusades (all 15), World War One, World War II, The extinction of the Native Americans, and recently the multiple labor mishaps have all been caused by individuals? Not to mention that Stalin, Mao, and Hitler actually advocated State Capitalism as opposed to socialism or communism. In State Capitalism, there is no elections, no worker organization, and no democracy. However considering your research on the subject, I'm not surprised that you fall victim to the mis-naming.
And yes there were terrorists in South Africa at the time, that is totally clear. What is not clear is that Mandela was the cause of such a crime. He did not have anything to do with those bombings. It would be like comparing MLK's Freedom march to the Black Panthers. While both had similar goals, their methods are different.
Personally I believe you hate Mandela because he was a Socialist, like myself. If you honestly hate Mandela because he was a Socialists I think you should also hate Albert Einstein, Walter Cronkite, MLK, Patrick Stewart, Gene Roddenberry, Malcolm X, Eugene Debs, Mother Jones, H.G. Wells, George Orwell, Jack London, and shall I mention Lewis Sinclair?
I will simply say this: When anything is placed above the individual, the individual becomes expendable. Collectivists like you believe that it is only groups that matter, ergo, the individual's rights are inconsequential if the group benefits, and if he has to die so that the group benefits, then it sucks to be him. That is what has allowed people like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and all the others to justify their acts of mass murder; they trumpeted the many above the individual, and since no one person constitutes the many, it becomes easy to devalue him/her.
Stop using an either/or fallacy. I believe an individuals rights are just as important as the collective rights of everyone. The basic idea of socialism is just that, every worker gets a fair pay and they can come together to vote on stuff.
In fact I have studied Hitler a great deal during my self education in History. Did you know that he was elected because he held the idea that individual German Aryans are more important than immigrants? Yes, and so became a group following a man out of ignorance of the individual, not the collective.
So go ahead, stay in your siege mentality. But don't say that I don't concern myself for individuals.
Is that the best you have for an insult? You don't insult me, you don't threaten me, and you don't understand the world around you.
You are a pathetic man who listens to far-right rhetoric about the world, which is slowly deluding you from reality. Reality, has a well known liberal bias; as evident from Einstein, Darwin, Orwell, H.G. Well (ironically enough), Aristotle, Plato, and Mandela.
These people evolved away from the conservative rhetoric to come to different ideas about science, logic, society, and even economics. Now it is time you move away too.
Yeah, how dare I point out facts about him that no one wants to address. How dare I show him to not have always been the heavenly saint people prefer to think of him as, while going after other people for lesser things.
How dare I apply the same standard to him that I apply to everyone else, rather than sucking up to him because of his skin color.
I don't know what it's like in South African politics, but those 'reactionaries' over hear aren't even trying to hide their pleasure at his passing. I posted a memorial on my NationStates region's offsite forum, and this is the reply I got from one person
"He was a terrorist and a onetime member of the South African Communist Party. Good riddance."