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hollow-welt Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014   Artisan Crafter
thats a lot of spelling mistakes.
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Avt-Cccp Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fidel was a good leader!
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014
He destroyed prosperious country and murdered people.
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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
I know we all hate Castro, but can we just ignore who said it and admire the beauty of this quote?
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LeRevolutionnaire Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014
nearly 60 years after the revolution of liberation, and Cuba is still a thorn in the side of the Americans.........BRAVO CUBA!!........VIVA FIDEL!!!!!  
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
And it's only cost them any hope for a better tomorrow and the occasional bout of mass starvation.
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hollow-welt Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014   Artisan Crafter
hahaha, well said.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I find it hypocritical of you to handwave crimes of Communism while scrounging for evil in America.

Castro is a fine one to talk about poor behavior considering his lifelong dictatorship.
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SpacePirate369 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014
They can speak of moral authority and human rights because the average middle class American is unaffected by said tragedies. Everyone in Cuba is subjected to Castro's purges.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Thirty years of outsourcing is a tragedy, to say nothing of how backwards america is in relation to this small Caribbean nation. 
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SpacePirate369 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
Yes of course, I agree with you completely. I'm just saying that there will not be change or unrest in America unless the average American is affected VERY directly.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
They've already been very directly affected. All that's lacking is the education and the will to fight back. A gradual turn to the left is occurring but the powers of dark money are still strong
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SpacePirate369 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
Well, let's just say I'll believe it when I see it.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well a socialist mayor was elected in seattle, and the town of seatac raised minimum wage to fifteen an hour. It's a small start but the spark must be nurtured to turn into a flame. 

That and more and more americans identify as something other than conservative. 
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ShariaHater356 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Hm, like Fidel is is one to talk. All of this is just propaganda bullshit. I can't believe you bought his words like that after he has killed millions of the people he said he'd liberate with the help of Che Guvara, while he sat in wealth the Cuban people suffered under extreme poverty and oppression, and he criticizes America and the free market, hahaha, how funny. Mafia men are arrested and fought by our police force, did you happen to forget? and child prostitution, honestly, just where the hell did he get that? there are laws against that so how can he say America supports it? Millionaire and beggar coexist, sorry to say but that has always existed, there's no way to change it, no matter what it will always happen, not that I would want that but it's a fact, even in your precious Marxist Communism that has existed, and the gap is much bigger with those policies than any other, while the elite live off of the poor of their own country, the rest of the people are left to suffer under poverty and oppression, honestly, did anything googd come from communism, nothing but suffering and death and a lust for power.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I got a good laugh out of this, thanks for posting!

But anyways, the Castro administration is responsible for very few deaths, and his policies have done wonders for Cuba.  They have a great healthcare system, universal education, a high average life expectancy, and next to no poverty (only about 1.2% of the population).  I can't imagine very many Cubans feel oppressed when they go and vote for parliamentary representation.

And you claim that there is a class divide under a communist system?  Pardon my being frank, but you have a very poor understanding of communism sir!  The whole purpose of Marx's theories was to determine a way to eliminate the classist systems perpetuated by the existence of capital.

So where exactly did you get your information on the Cuban government and the writings of Marx?
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ShariaHater356 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Hm, would those deaths happen to be political opponents? And besides, I think you're underestimating the amount of deaths, because Che Guevara did say that his favorite place was to be at the execution grounds, and he worked under Castro. Strange isn't it? And Cuba's economy was really shitty under Castro, especially under their "Special" economic period. And I think it would be difficult, especially under a communist/socialist system to be rich, course it wouldn't matter because all of those state's limit economic opportunity, Castro limited the amount of land a person could own, and industrial uses of agriculture were replaced with sustenance farming because the economy was so bad. The Cubans didn't even elect Castro, and he made no movement to allowing elections so just what the hell are you talking about?

Duh there's a class division, there's always a class division, just because Marx wrote that thought on paper doesn't mean it happened, look at Stalin, Castro, Guevara, Mao, all of those leaders and more like them, only they and a few lucky others got to have the wealth and power, there is a difference between what is written and what is in reality with many things. Class was never created because of Capitalism, it was created long before the ideal was created, while the first economic idea was similair to Capitalism, it was not the cause of class division. Class division will not be destroyed by communism, in fact all it did was deepen the gap. You can look at any communist country and you'll see only the ruling party getting all the good stuff, and no one else, even if they're hard workers, will only get a low wage and get close to nothing.

The info came from the communist countries you are so proud of, the countries that have wasted away millions of people because of a lust for power, now tell me, how many capitalist societies do you know that did that, hm?
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're half right there.  After the July 26th Revolution, the members of the deposed Batista regime resisted and a brief period of "civil war" (not really a war) ensued.  The surviving remnants of th Batista regime fled to the US, only to return a few decades later and cause even more chaos.

"Shitty" is hardly an objective quantification of an economy.  Your assessment is entirely subjective in nature, and besides: rich people =/= successful economy.  The troubles that they have gone through in the past are a direct result of the trade embargo placed on them, not Castro's administration.

I never said Castro was elected; I said they have parlimentary elections, but even so, Castro has instituted democratic reforms, and when he stepped down, the executive branch of the government has become democratic as well, with his brother Raul serving as the current president.

Stalin and Mao were anti-revisionist dictators who sought to strengthen their own power through political suppression.  Castro isn't rich, nor is he part of any sort of class.  But you keep mentioning "communist countries", which is sort of funny because a) communism has never actually been implemented ever and b) the concept of nations is antithetical to the ideals of communism.

Forgive me for being skeptical that you got your information from the countries you criticize, but you asked for capitalist states that have wasted human lives for the sake of power?  The US, Chile, Spain, Nicaragua, Congo, South Africa, Mexico, Australia, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Haiti, the Philippines, Serbia.  Need I go on?
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ShariaHater356 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist

    Shitty, pretty much sums up what the Cuban economy was under Castro, and it wasn’t just the embargo, it was the fact he limited economic opportunity on his people, and sorry to say but rich people do make a successful economies, money doesn’t just pop out of nowhere, money is earned, if people become successful, the economy prospers, it’s a back and forth thing of prosperity.

     I already stated that Castro made no move to reform the society of Cuba into a Democratic one, he reformed it into a dictatorship, with 40 million people murdered in his and Guevara’s regimes, and as you said only after Castro was Cuba finally able to obtain democracy, but not by much, and his failing health was the only reason he stepped down.

You are correct, however the only thing about communism that was are the ones already have existed and currently exist, they never end well, they result in an all powerful leader that oppresses his/her people, I know the communism on paper has never been implemented but that’s because that kind of utopia is impossible, and only brings power hungry leaders.

Just to be sure, could you give some specific events to clarify that claim, for each country please?
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Obviously, you've never been to South Africa or Saudi Arabia.  Both of those countries have rich people, but are they successful?

Cuba has a population of 12 million.  In the 1960's, when Castro came to power, they had a population of 7 million.  You do the math; Castro did not kill 40 million people.

And I've already said that communism does not, nor has it ever, existed.  So, that's entirely unfounded.

1)  The US has killed thousands of civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, and Libya.  Not to mention, the unprovoked invasions of Cuba, Grenada, Congo, Vietnam, and many other countries.  Slavery was also common practice until the American Civil War.  Subsequently, Chinese wage slaves were forced to work on the American transcontinental railroad system.
2)  Chile under the capitalist dictatorship of Pinochet stayed in power through the use of death squads, killing many of his own citizens.
3)  Franco's capitalist dictatorship in Spain formed an alliance with the Nazis and organized killings of dissidents in Spain.
4)  Nicaragua anti-communist guerrillas rose to power in the 1960s after being supplied with weapons by the CIA.  The provisional government was able to stay in power due to gang violence tactic through a drug market, supplied by the US.
5)  The Apartheid Regime in South Africa was a heavily racist organization of power, supported by the US.
6)  The Australian government enslaved and killed millions of Aboriginies during their consolidation of continental control.
7)  The Saudi Arabian government lives in luxury, while much of their population is in abject poverty.
8)  Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people is a fairly noteworthy point, not to mention, when other countries advocated for the liberation of the Palestinians, they invaded and occupied parts of the countries.
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ShariaHater356 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
look, the whole basis of an economy is the wealthier people are, the better the economy is, and taxing the rich is going to make them leave, and that doesn't bode well for the economy because the rich will want less taxes, look at California, rich people are leaving because of it's high taxes and their income decreases. It's just facts that state that wealthy people make a good economy.

1) Civilian casualties are not unusual in war, however, you seem to forget one important detail, in every single one of those wars that you have mentioned, the enemy soldiers would use terrorists dressed in civilian clothing to fight American soldiers, or would use them as human shields, or would fire artillery from civilian areas endangering their lives, leaving the soldiers no choice. You know this. And was slavery not every where else in the world back in those times? Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, even the African tribes enslaved each other, and they were the ones who sold the slaves, slavery was not capitalism's fault.
2)Chile was in a civil war against a communist military coup, did you happen to forget that?
3)Spain at the time was under Fascist influence, which goes against the definition of capitalism which is that a capitalist society is a liberally democratic society, even Karl Marx admitted to this definition, I asked a Communist friend of mine and this is what he told me. So Spain at that time does not count, and today is a socialist country, and look how it's turned out.
4)Nicaragua yes was anti-communist, however was not capitalist, it does not follow the definition of Capitalism because it was not a liberally democratic society.
5) The Apartheids actually had a economic system all of their own, it was in fact against both the majority of blacks AND white CAPITALISTS, it was even compared more with socialism with an evil face rather than capitalism.
6) I have no intention of defending those acts, however they were certainly not in the ideals of capitalism, and was not capitalist during that time, but they ended their oppressive ways against the Aborigines and treat them as equals.
7)Saudi Arabia does not count as a capitalist society, Saudi Arabia was a feudal hierarchy, not a democratic society, so therefore it does not count, plus I would never defend Saudi Arabia.
8) Israel's oppression, you people can be so ignorant sometimes, have you forgotten or looked away from the countless times Palestinian terrorists have blown themselves up on buses, at pizza parlors, have murdered Jewish families as well as Christian ones in their homes, just because of their faith? Of course you would, people like you just prefer looking away from what people are really suffering from, and that is from people like Palestinian extremists, why should they have their own country after what they've done, that's just asking for more trouble. And as I recall, the Palestinians gave their land up, to the British, but as soon as the British gave the land to the Israelis, the Palestinians start a whole war over it, and they lost, there is always a price to pay for asking for violence, this treatment is for something they started, is it really that wrong that Israel is defending itself? You've just gotta be kidding me. And the Palestinians use their own people as human shields, remember Gaza? The news decided to say Israel blew up civilian area right? Well they happened to ignore the fact that Hezbollah had launched rockets from that same civilian area, so what the fuck were they expecting, they knew that was going to happen. So why, Why does Israel have to deal with complete idiots like you, have you even been paying attention to this?! The Palestinians constantly dreamed of driving the Israelis to the sea even before they were properly settled and killing them all. But against all odds, they survived. And as for the conquered territory, that was in the name of defense, it was to make a point about attacking Israel. But you know, I think you don't even care if they all die, as long as things are fine with you, their fate doesn't matter, does it? You chose to be ignorant, and ignorance is a dangerous thing, and brings death in it's wake.

You say poverty, while it's good you are concerned about that, the solution, it's not going to help, when has it ever helped, it was never successfully implemented because everytime a malevolent dictator takes power because of all the stuff he can do, theirs a reason the founding fathers limited the governments power, and that was because of people like George III, people who wanted power, and communism just gives too much of an opportunity for some asshole to take power, when ill you communists just learn that this cycle will only repeat again and again, it's not going to change because it gives so much power, just accept it, communism will never be the way you imagined it. That's why America has fought so hard to prevent it, that's why all those wars happened, because of the things that communism has brought. No happiness, no peace, no prosperity, just pain and misery.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1)  Capitalism seeks to do that which is profitable, and slavery happened to be profitable, so it was upheld by the capitalists.

2)  Salvador Allende was a democratically elected communist president.  Pinochet was the one who overthrew the government.

3)  Really?  Karl Marx admitted that capitalism is democratic?  Perhaps some proof is in order?  And in any case, modern Spain is nowhere near socialist, nor is any other country.  Cuba is the closest country to socialism that currently exists.

4)  You keep saying that capitalism is a "liberal democracy".  Allow me to give you a quick definiton of capitalism, according to google:  "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy."  Nothing in there about liberal democracy, nor was liberal democracy mentioned in the Wealth of Nations, the book which created modern capitalism.

5)  It doesn't matter which races were discriminated under the Apartheid regime. The Apartheid issue is a great deal more convoluted than simple ideology, so we'll avoid the topic for now.

6)  I think a few actual Australians would correct you on their view of the Aborigines.  They are nowhere near treated equal in modern Australia.

7)  "Saudi Arabia doesn't count"?  And why not?  Their market economy is driven by the profit motive of private owners, such is the nature of capitalism.

8)  "But you know, I think you don't even care if they all die, as long as things are fine with you, their fate doesn't matter, does it? You chose to be ignorant, and ignorance is a dangerous thing, and brings death in it's wake."  I agree.  Ignorance is indeed dangerous.  Although, you seem ignorant to the magnitude of the problems created by the capitalist system.  For what I've gathered, to you, everything boils down to "if it's got economic problems, it's not capitalist".

Except you're forgetting the instances of instituted socialism that didn't result in a dictator coming to power.  For example, the Paris Commune, Kronstadt, Luxemburg's Germany, Yugoslavia, the pre-Stalin USSR, Italy, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, and many more.  You can't look at only the bad examples of a system and say "this does not work".  You have to view things objectively for an accurate perspective.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
None of this comes up when right wingers try to sing the praises of the free market. 
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this is the past you know, and it wasn't really a free market thanks to racial segregation. 
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
except racial segregation didn't go away because of the free market, government intervention put a stop to it
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that's also true, but I never said there was no need for government
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
Actually, you will.  The problem is that you're too busy talking about busting heads to hear them.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well I never see you bring up thirty years of declining wages, increased living costs and most economic gains over the last thirty years going to the wealthiest citizens. 
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
You might if you ever listen, because I have been addressing those things.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
No you place the blame squarely on those who are making less than they did thirty years ago...
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
Sometimes, yes, because it's true.  You can't look me in the eye say none of them are guilty of being lazy or doing nothing to increase their value.  

I have, on the other hand, spoken out about inflation and the devaluation of the dollar on numerous occasions. 
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
So wages across society stagnating is just lazy workers? You can't say with a straight face that the whole society has gotten lazy.

But you failed to mention how minimum wage never kept up with inflation
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
And there you go again, stuffing words in my mouth. 

And minimum wage will never keep up with inflation because the government is printing money faster than the wage is being increased.  Not to mention it kicks out more workers every time it's raised, ergo less people are making money, ergo businesses are making less profits.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014
Why am I not surprised Castro plays dumb when speaking of capitalism?
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He's talking about America silly.  ;)
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
And of course, if I asked him, he'd claim all of these things were symptoms of capitalism.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Castro's the hypocrite
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hooded-wanderer Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Student General Artist
Not really. The reality is that unlike Castro's Cuba, America really whitewashed themselves by trying to state that the country is the "Shining City" on the hill, where everyone can achieve the American dream if you work hard enough; and is the symbol of democracy and political peace for the world. In reality though, America has overthrown many democratically elected governments and replaced them with dictators for "American Interests", and the American dream was basically unobtainable for minorities back then and were not treated equal. 

As much of a monster Castro is; at least he didn't try to overthrow the governments of neighbouring countries and replace them with puppet regimes, and didn't hide his displeasure of political dissidents and those who opposed them. He was basically an open book; a book that contain many horrible things and atrocities but an open book none the less :shrug: 

America set themselves up for that hypocrisy that gives legitimate dictators who hate America ammo. 
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I know all of that. What's your point? (except the part about overthrowing democracies. I don't know if they were democracies that were dethroned)

Only because he didn't have a powerful enough military to put people into power like America has. If he did, he would certainly conquer and appoint other rulers in the name of communism. I mean, that's what the Soviet Union did in North Korea no?

Castro's still a hypocrite because he criticizes America for the atrocities they have done, meanwhile he's no better.
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hooded-wanderer Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Student General Artist
The 1954 Guatemalan Coup D'etat in which the CIA covertly supported the nations military in overthrowing democratically elected President Jacobo Arbenz and replace him with a military junta. The 1953 Iranian coup D'etat in which the CIA and MI6 helped overthrow democratically elected Mohammed Mosadddegh and have the country go back to be an absolute monarchy under the Shah of Iran, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. 
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Seems like the Cold War was a time of great political corruption for both the United States and Soviet Union
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ryu238 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
You have no idea....
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, I do.. We Americans weren't always so democratic during the Cold War either. We supported our share of dictators to combat the dictators the Soviets were supporting. It was:

Soviet Union:
-Kim Jong-Il
-Mao Zedong (initially)
-Fidel Castro
-Idi Amin


United States:
-Shah of Iran
-Batista
-Pinochet
-Sheih Kai Sheikh
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ryu238 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
Heh, sounds like something you should do some art on...
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
First nature really.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014
Time is short. We need to start creating a Democractic Socialist society. We need to elect socialist members to the American Congress.
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EuropeanCowboy Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014
One got into the Seattle City council, huzzah!
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014
Still need more. We need more Bernie Sanders(es?) in Congress.
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MyLittleTripod Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
There is at least two members of the Socialist Party elected as TDs in the Irish Elections.
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EuropeanCowboy Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
Yes indeed! Maybe Kmara and Sanders could get together and plan a new America. That would be awesome.

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