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Incentives? More like a threat.
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userup Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2015
This is how communist governments work. Just look at north korea.
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Yuli-Ban Featured By Owner Edited Jul 6, 2015  Student Writer
I'd cynically say "North Korea isn't communist, never has been, and never will be" (because it's true, they're much closer to absolute Monarchy/national socialism) but the fact is, that's just how it eventually becomes if communism is attempted.
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TrainerAndrea Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd be careful with comments like that. Communism is an ideology and should be treated as such. What I'm saying is that it should only be judged by what it actually says, not by what people who call themselves (or are called by others) communists do. Not even the Soviet Union was ever communist. It was a goal they were working towards, yes, but it was never actually achieved.
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userup Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
The purist form of communism is that of a colony of ants, bees, and termites. Doing it in human practice is just not possible.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015
Explain to me how it's not possible in practice with humans?
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userup Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015
It has already been implemented in over a dozen countries and they all failed,and the people just abandoned it.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015
The people never abandoned it, the leaders did. Notice how all of these nations collapsed at their most capitalist: The USSR, East Germany, Socialist Romania, Socialist Poland, Socialist Hungary, Socialist Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Socialist Albania. The collapsed at their most capitalist. If Socialism was the cause of USSR's collapse then it would have fallen apart in the 30s, or 50s, when it was at it's most Socialist, not in the 80's after the re-introduction of capitalism. Even then most people didn't want the USSR to fall apart, in the USSR Referendum (the only one they did) the vast majority of people voted to keep the USSR, and look at polls in eastern Europe now, most people are saying life before 1989 was better. The People clearly didn't abandon it. Anyway, I'd hardly say capitalism works. 
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userup Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015
It does work in the long run.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015
Rich people does not equal working system.
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Yuli-Ban Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Student Writer
The purest form of communism is that of technostism [i.e. all labor is automated, all humans exploit robot labor], which is very much possible in human practice. We're just nowhere near advanced enough.
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userup Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
You just described the animatrix movies and all know what happened there.
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Yuli-Ban Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Student Writer
"You just described the animatrix movies and all know what happened there."

Yep.

Humans fuck't up, despite AI's best efforts.

At the same time, I'm also referring to the Culture series, so there.
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Seems legit.
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Kevin2097 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Mr.peabody is rich and have companies
but also have a adoptive son and I bet mr.peabody
is a genourus dog, is he fine?

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aceking90 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
He is also not real.
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BlackBird123456 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015
I FUCKING DIED LAUGHING WHEN I READ THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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psiandco Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2014  Student Writer
You think this is bad?

... wait till you see what they do next.
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guaglione Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Student General Artist
It is funny how the work of the rich is placed as so much worthy than the poor,
when they do so much less physical work and have more leisure,
and in reality could be replaced much more easily than any working class person.
Give anyone a ton of money, and some schooling on how to handle it, and you will have wealth.
But I would love to see the rich switch places and do physical work everyday for the rest of thier lives.
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Yuli-Ban Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Student Writer
"But I would love to see the rich switch places and do physical work everyday for the rest of thier lives."

Well then they've become the poor, and now they'd be part of the exploited and oppressed class, so you've defeated the purpose.

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and in reality could be replaced much more easily than any working class person." 

You should see how it's going to be in just 10 years, when artificial intelligence comes of age. The rich are going to have to pretty much alter reality to convince people they're still useful.
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guaglione Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015  Student General Artist
A medium of technology that maximizes human potential and preserves the enviroment would be nice. Americans colonize the country so haphazardly.
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Sovietwerewolf88 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
capitalism is nothing more then a cancer
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Kevin2097 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Mr.peabody is rich and have companies
but also have a adoptive son and I bet mr.peabody
is a genourus dog, is he fine?

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GoldenWolf95 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is a load of bull shit
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh bull.

In America, you have TWO YEARS before a bank is allowed to begin foreclosure. And that's only if not a single payment has been made in that time.

I'd ask you to provide citation and examples of each of these instances, but for even if you bothered, I have three rebuttal citations waiting for each. 

That last one in the *Poor* category is especially stupid since it's non-quantifiable, hyperbolic and inflammatory.

And Leftists are just as guilty of the stuff laid on on the left side of this thing as Right-Wingers are. Need I go into Warren Buffet's inefficient and dangerous transportation of oil by rail which is the *true* reason behind Obama's denial of the Keystone Pipeline? Or perhaps all of the 'Green projects' that have gone belly-up, into which The Left poured *billions* of our dollars? Maybe you'd like me to delve into Barney Frank's atrocities via Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

You can't assign crimes to certain political parties as a matter of fact.

Criminal acts, abuse of the poor and corruption knows no party boundary. And don't you even *try* to continue the lie about 'Well, one party lies more than the other...'

It's a lie no matter who says it. As far as I'm concerned, both are becoming rotted. We need something more akin to British Parliament in this country with numerous parties representing more specific interests. And *NO* dynasties like Clinton, Bush or Kennedy. NO lifetime jobs. NO terms greater than four years.

It's a disgrace, what's happening now, and lies like this only add to the 'tail-chasing' futility.
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tremedar Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014
Yes, too many options for big money to buy out would truly hinder politicians working solely to their donators interests. Frankly what I think needs to happen is either multiple parties or no parties and a carved in stone limit to the means by which a candidate can conduct their campaign, all ads paid for by taxes and absolutely nothing extra allowed by any means, a political ad appearing paid for by private funds receiving a stiff penalty to whoever paid for it, so every candidate gets exactly the same time to deliver their message. Limit the time to say what they mean to say and you'll likely cut mudslinging out completely when candidates have finite time to tell the voters what they'll be voting for.
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014   Writer
Can I agree with you on the economics without agreeing to Communism? 'cuz I's an anarchist. :3 So like, I'mma disagree hard with over-reaches of authority.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
Agreed.
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fchs219376 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
that could just be because one party is motivated by expansion and the other party is motivated by maintenance
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fchs219376 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
along with that one party has more power than another, though that's because of their goals have put them in a position to expand on their goals
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lichtie Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014



A Dedication to J.C. and K.M.


 


One, a Radical, Socialist Rabbi.


Believed by some to be the Son of a god.


The other a Radical Socialist Political Thinker and Writer.


Who liked a beer or two or, perhaps even three.


Both with beards and long hair.


 


Both mocked in their time for their views.


Against the Ruling Class(es) of their society.


One kicked over the Money Changers tables.


The Market Traders of their day.


INRI:-IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVAERVM.


Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews


SPQR


SENATVS POPVSQVE ROMANVS


The Senate and People of Rome.


Always a Ruler and a Ruled.


 


The other wrote Das Kapital.


A treatise against on the horrors he saw, present and forthcoming.


Of the inequalities of Capitalism and the Industrial Age.


Of how the wealthy and powerful controlled the poor and powerless.


 The theory of Capital and the Free Market run mad!


 


Would Adam Smith Laugh or Weep?


Would Galbraith and Keynes shout: “I bloody told you so”?


The money lenders are still there.


In Temples of Glass and Steel.


 Still buying and selling, the Rulers, the interchangeable Political Class.


 


A Red Star.


A Hammer and Sickle


Uniting the Rural and Agricultural with the Scientific and Industrial


One in harmony with the other.


For the benefit of ALL.


The People, the Workers, the real producers of the wealth of the nation,


Mere replaceable parts in the huge and cold Industrial machine.


That blocks out the Sunlight.


Denied access to an education that might expose


the Truth of their History or Her-story.


And cause them to Rebel and bring down those ‘false edifices’


That have been raised in ‘their name and for their benefit’


 


INRI:-IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVAERVM.


Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews.


Nailed to a Cross for his Dissenting Views.


Surely, more than a ‘cottage industry’ the manufacture of such crosses?


So many were Crucified.


We don’t even remember their names.


Who really received their pieces of Silver?


Was it Judas?


Or those that voted for the Death of a Socialist Rabbi


That held differing views?


 


A Red Star. A Hammer and Sickle


Uniting the Rural and Agricultural with the Scientific and Industrial


One in harmony with the other.


For the benefit of all.


For the Benefit of ALL.


 


The truisms held within of both were bastardised, perverted.


For the benefit of the few,


While the many lived lives that were “nasty, brutal and short”.


 


One can lead to a Theocracy.


A Religious Police State.


Where dissent can lead to Torture, Exile or Death.


A Religious Police State.


Where neighbour spies on neighbour.


One can’t be too careful, for there are heretics everywhere!


 But never mind. We’ll give you your ‘pieces of silver’.


 


The other could lead to a Political Police State.


Or  Capitalist Police State


Where dissent could lead to Torture, Exile and Death.


A Political Police State.


Where neighbour spies on neighbour.


One can’t be too careful, for there are heretics everywhere!


 


 


We’ll give you your ‘pieces of silver’.


The Free-Marketer’s and ‘Democrats’ shout


constantly and loudly that:


There are countless ‘Reds under the Bed’!


“Goddamned Commies are everywhere”!


Trying to take our wealth and freedoms.


If they become too Strong, why then,


“We’ll just Nuke the Bastards”!


So! Spy and Inform on your neighbour.


We’ll give you your ‘pieces of silver’.


 


Ideological Wars are fought directly or in proxy.


Sent by those they trust or fear.


Which is the Worst?


Which is Better?


Trust or Fear!


The masses trudge off to a meaningless death


In a Foreign Land of which they Know Nothing.


Under false banners that say what they do not mean.


 


Injunctions and Blockades are imposed by other ‘United Nations’.


On one side or another, does it matter?


Positions can change as fast or a slow as on a chess board.


Check and Check Mate, you Mother-Fucker!!!


What would J. C. and K. M. think?


Would they shake their heads?


At how much we have corrupted their thoughts and words.


 


Natural progress of Humanity till the Apocalypse?


The endless creation of a dysfunctional Nation-State?


Remember the Treaties, Westphalia, Paris, Rome,


 London, Washington, Potsdam is there no end to the secrets and lies


Built on the ruins of its predecessors?


Towards the Utopia that is still out of reach.


But, it’s just over the final hill if we do as we are told.


 


DSP


2013



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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014
Damn, guys. RTJDudek doesn't have shit of Sonrouge. I'm actually surprised they're not the same person...
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I find it hard to decide which one of them is smarter.  Neither of them know the difference between a communist and a Nazi.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Kiss my ass, boy.
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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
I'm going to have to decline that offer, sir.
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mido557 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Holy crap I laughed way too hard at that XDDDD
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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
The best way to defeat an opponent is to expose their immaturity.
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mido557 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very, very true.
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lichtie Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014

Nicely and politely put, 'Strudel1288'.


Politeness is something else sonrouge has no concept of. Why does he believe that anyone who disagrees with him is a 'commie'? There are a number of us that may be slightly, or more, to his values and beliefs. However, and again, that does not necessary mean that were are 'Commies' or Reds under the Bed'. If you insult people like a spoilt and petulant child, do not act surprised if they return the 'compliment'.


As far as blocking goes, can you blame people for blocking you as you have done to them. Please do not act surprised, maybe getting blocked is one of your intensions, so that you can cry 'Foul'.

" See !!! These, dirty Commies are censoring what I have to say".


Again, I find your constant reference to bodily functions, more laughable than offensive.

Perhaps, it says more about your mind-set than you realise. You also may not appreciate or want to acknowledge how many people are actually laughing at you.


Furthermore, when you accuse somebody 'Jmoc1' of ".... bragging about be a dumb ass....". That ,surely,is a contradiction is it not? Even more so, "....when put together with the potential 'Honour' of being unblocked, when people start to agree with your views.

Is this not the same coercive. indeed, bullying behaviour of which you accuse Communist and other dictatorial States ?


I await with eagerness to your response and reply as always.

Have a Nice Day.


 

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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Thank you!
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
My refusal to goosestep to your beloved communism doesn't make me evil, chum.  
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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
I didn't say that. Why do you always escalate things so much?
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
You're comparing me to someone I'm assuming you didn't think highly of and you're calling me worse than him.  What am I supposed to think?
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014
*pats Jmoc1's head*

My friend, as you can plainly see (but probably choose to ignore like a lot of things), you're still free to blow your hot air all over this site, so I have not done a thing to your freedom of speech.  I've simply made it so I don't have to smell your gas if I don't want to.

And I'll unblock you when you stop bragging about what a dumbass you are.

Definition of fascism:  
  1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

  2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

  3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.



    I believe I've made it clear in the past I support LIMITED AND RATIONAL GOVERNMENT, so if you're going to play dumb and pretend I support something I've spoken out against numerous times, then you are clearly not a source of intelligent discussion.

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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
Sonrouge, you are just an egotistical idiot who believes in the fascist idea of letting companies run rampant. You have no self-worth, not to mention you block everyone who disagrees. 

Man up you poor excuse for a human being, and allow freedom of speech.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconsonrouge:

Just because Jmoc1 he mixed up political terminology doesn't make you any less of an egotistical idiot.  ;)
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
Lichtie, do you lie about everyone you disagree with to inflate your ego or am I just special for some reason?
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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
You sir, are going about this so incredibly wrong. Your comment earlier was.... Basically pointless. It makes no effort to establish cordial discussion and instead baits trolls.

Now then, you could argue many things about this. The first problem is the dogmatic view on this supposed rigid class structure, even though, while the deck is definitely favoring certain groups over others (for example, a kid growing up in Upstate New York has better chances than a kid growing up in rural Kansas who has  better chances than a kid growing up in Detroit). Despite the deck stacking, its not unheard of. The ultimate "This person can achieve nothing" story you will hear them throw around is a black woman from Detroit. Admittedly, I cant think of one from Detroit, but the CEO of Xerox is a black woman from the worst end of NYC, close enough.

The next problem is these things that benefit the rich:
1. Give them tax breaks. When you give them tax breaks, tax revenue actually goes up. When you raise taxes, they are more inclined to just simply not pay the taxes. When the cost of paying them exceeds the cost of evading them... Well...
2. Give them bonuses. If your CEO has done great things and improved your company, you don't want them to leave. Under their leadership, their company has flourished. Keep them on.
3. Give them power. Erm... Power and wealth often go hand in hand. The most powerful become wealthy and the wealthy become powerful. Who should be calling the shots? The well educated CEO with years of experience or the janitor?
4. Give them stock options. That ties in with bonuses more than anything. Good bye.

And the things that supposedly hurt the poor:
5. Take their food stamps. Whose trying to take away food stamps? Theres some calling for proof that they are *TRYING* to find a job.
6. Take their homes. Lets see.. I am running a bank. You aren't paying your bills, I invested tons of money in you with the expectation you would pay your bills. I would like to keep my house. I'm not going to go down with you because you aren't paying your bills. Sorry.
7. Take their rights. Whose rights are being taken? I suppose the Communist Party in Ukraine is snatching up rights left and right... My rights in the US are pretty consistent. Illinois decided I can't talk on a cellphone anymore, because they "care" about my safety... So I suppose I lost that right. The Peoples Republic of New York says no one is allowed to say anything that diverges from the views of their far left state leaders.. I suppose those are some rights lost. Hmm.. Im noticing a pattern here.
8. Take their labor. You work, I pay. Your work has a value depending upon your ability. If you go to school, you are more educated. Your work is more valuable. Your work is more valuable than the high school dropout's. Thats the way it is.
9. Take their self worth. Your right, welfare incentives do destroy self worth. The family where the mother and father are both working 4 jobs while going to school and raising 3 children has more self worth than the high school drop out single mother with three children who collects food stamps and applies for every government assistance she can find, with the government telling her "Dont worry, you dont need to get a job or put your life together, we'll take care of you!"
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014
Did you reply to me by accident?  
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Zalin-Fox Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014
Nope, the first line and the first sentence were directed straight at you.
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