Weekends aren't legally mandated by government. The workweek is negotiated, without bringing the government into the mix. I should know, because in my profession, 50-60 hour weeks without overtime pay are standard.
The problem people have with the labor movement is that it's gotten too totalitarian- using the government to tell businesses and workers exactly the kinds of contracts they're allowed to make. Often, this is to the detriment of the workers as well as the businesses, such as when minimum wage laws lead to the firing of low-wage workers that cannot be afforded at minimum wage.
Shut up ! how about the genocide of both the native americans and african americans you dunce how about that all together probably be more than what stalin did. oh and how about the slave trade the indian removal act or the trail of tears, think before you say you dunce.
Things like safety laws I'll grant, though one should bear in mind how easy it is to look back through history and say "That was dangerous"; it's not wrong if there's no knowledge of it being dangerous.
As for the rest, well...making them required by law and not giving a damn whether the business can afford them or not has hurt the employee, not helped him. It amuses me that "the labor movement" calls for such things by law, then are surprised when businesses go out of business, start laying off workers, or head for greener pastures.
Right right, no one of have forseen that starting a heavy piece of industrial equipment while the repairman is still inside would be dangerous.
Businesses today have made more money then has been created before in the whole of human history, if they can buy car elevators and private jets, then they damn well pay the people who made that money for them in the first place a living wage.
And, my dear boy, I'm referring more to things like asbestos, or what causes disease in the work place, etc, things that aren't common knowledge. Also, do bear in mind the stark differences between the machines of this century and the machines of the previous centuries.
There no fallacy, people got bills to pay, food to buy and many other types of payments, you cut their pay they start to fall behind and then they end up on the street, it's not my opinion it's a fact. I wouldn't trust "capitalism magazine" to tell me the time of day.
It's wasn't a case of not being common knowledge as not using common sense, much of the time. Machines today can be just as dangerous as they where back in the 19th century, even with all modern safely precautions, If you don't know what your doing you can very easy injure yourself, hell I know people who injured themselves with equipment they've used for years.
beautiful typography, looks like Rockwell. Am I right? Although, the design is great, here is a little criticism of the content:
The Labour Movement has achieved anything but kicking capitalists ass seriously by abandoning the status of being just a labourer. In so far, there is nothing to be happy about the "achievements" of this "movement". It is sad, that left-minded people, even marxists, consider labour movements and labour unions an achievement in the fight against capitalist conditions instead of realizing that the ownership structure (owner of the means of production) won't change as long as wagework exists. Sorry for my lack of English, I hope, you get the idea.
Below is a link to a web page containing writings dealing with those issues seriously: [link]
We must take care of those who work without error, others can be made into surplus. The Government should be providing health programs that would be keeping everyone working with health. If you cannot work when others can, then you must be weak or not strong enough mentaly to work for the men around you, your childern, and those to come
Or you could be disabled, or older than the average worker, or younger, or recovering from an accident, or a victim of a disease, etc... Those people need to be taken care of too. Regardless of whether or not the Labour Movement is horrible or not, saying that only the "strongest" people deserve to be taken care of is very shallow and ignorant.
Well, its simple, if you want money for personal gain, then you arnt working just for the people around you. if you are willing to give up all you have to a collective group that will re-supply all members with the positions they need, and you will work for no more reason than because it will benifit someone else then you are not working for yourself
Noone who ever worked should be left behind. If young people dont see the point in working, how can you expect them to work ? Young people dont want to work if the only thing they would do all day is working. And why would you work if dont have a safe life after retirement ?
Yeah, unions and labor movements are great... or I should say were great. Now the role has switched. The so called "capitalist class" are the ones who try to protect their workers and the unions under the "labor movement" exploit them. Here's my favorite example: why are unions allowed to pay political parties for favors from the dues that they've forced their workers to pay? If unions are to stay around for longer, they should be banned from contributing a cent to political parties or even taking a stance on it. You would find a lot less hostility towards them and more money for schools.
There's also this problem that in many places you must join the union or you cannot have the job. Union membership should be voluntary all the time.
BAHHH HA HA, "the capitalist class are the ones who try to protect their workers" your a tool, the capitalistr class is only out to make money, it wouldn't care about those workers if it wasn't for the trade union movement. Your more then happy for companies to pay political parties millions so they do want to their work force and the wreak the environment, but when workers try to get political parties to work for them suddenly "oh evil unions"
Most places make people join a union because they know what happens to non-union labour.
It's different. Unions are in a position of power and trust and they force and con their workers into giving them dues for political gain. Corporations do it out of their own profit so it's perfectly justified, even if I still don't like how much money is poured into it. Stealing is wrong, plain and simple, and one does it, the other does not. It's that simple.
Most places make people join a union so that they can control all the more people. I think the people who first started the labor movement would be ashamed of the turns their creation has gone.
Paying dues is not stealing, trade unions have expenditures, not paying is like being a memeber of a club taking part in actives and not paying memebership fees. I also find it ironic that you don't like stealing yet support a system basing on extracting labour from a work forces rather then doing work.
The only thing they'd be a ashamed of is people like taking advantage of all the rights they founght so hard for while blasting the organisations that gave you them. [link]
"You have to pay a fee to enter a club that we will force you to be a part of! If you do not agree and you don't conform to the union, you will not get the job, you may be fired, and you won't get any good reference."
That's called EXTORTION.
"I also find it ironic that you don't like stealing yet support a system basing on extracting labour from a work forces rather then doing work."
Not that socialism involves anybody working. I support pure lasse faire capitalism, and that means ultimate class mobility without government interference. Before you tell me that I like 8 year olds working in factories and losing limbs, I'd like to remind you that some things are just wrong, and the government is within its rights to do that. Here is something that is not within the rights of the government; did you know that businesses affiliated with the government must have a certain number of minorities employed or else they aren't considered for a contract.
What rights does anybody want to get rid of? None. Nobody wants 10 year olds in factories getting limbs chopped off. Nobody wants racism or sexual harassment in the workforce. Nobody wants to end minimum wage. Nobody wants unequal wages between men and women. So either it's more propaganda from the left, or the left is paranoid.
If you break rules there are consequences, by the way your far more likely to be fired and or get a bad reference if your not a member of a trade union. Also large parts of the work force aren't members of a union (you have your demigod Reagan to thank for that) because when others in same field try to unionise their place of work is shut down.
That is blackmail
Socialist is all about working, it's about giving control to those work rather then own. Your laissez faire capitalism would lead to a massive working class ruled over by a tiny ruling class and their'll need a goverment to keep then safe from their workers.
You do want to tear down all the hard work of the labour movement, you say you don't want childern in factories, yet how you going stop people using them, if there is no government interference, remember childern were used used in factories in Europe and America before child labour law were put in place and in many parts of the world they still us child labour, your unregulated free market would have childern back in american and european factories before the end of the week, it's same with minimum wage, racism or sexual harassment and unequal wages between men and women. The capitalist class had all that in place when no one stopped them, it's not propaganda or paranoia it's a matter of historical fact.
I actually like it that large parts of the workforce aren't unionized. So I shall thank Reagan. He actually created jobs. I bet Obama can't spell the word "jobs" let alone understand how to do it.
No, it's extortion, but regardless, you get my point. I'm sure even you have to admit that it's wrong of unions to do.
But when you no longer have to work to survive because you're guaranteed your fair share no matter what... I'd be the first to stop working, I'll say that! And if a system was set up to where if you don't work, you don't get your share, I'd go and do a crappy job just to get my pay as easily as possible. But when competition is added to the equation, I will work as hard as I can and do the best job I can.
I didn't say "no government interference"; even Adam Smith acknowledged the need for government interference for safety and fairness. Lasse faire doesn't mean "zero government no matter what". Be reasonable. Obviously government is necessary to protect people and keep markets fair, but that's ALL its job is. Then it stays out of it.
Yeah Reagan created jobs...overseas...by tearing down the US ecomomy. Seeing as Obama is too the right of Reagan on most issues he isn't going to do anything Reagan wouldn't do.
You don't have the luxury of just dropping out of work because you don't want to work, unless their is a legitimate reason, ie: mental, physical disability pregnancy etc, you had to work. besides most people don't want to be unemployed and on benefits, most don't want to live that life.
You did say no government interference, it's your own words, don't blame me if you don't like your what you say.
What world do you live in? How are the Captialists protecting anything? Unless protecting means laying off workers and shipping jobs overseas. And what about when Corporations pour billions to buy elections
They do all that just to survive because our government wants them either dead or gone. High taxes and out of control regulations push them out. And the money they use to buy elections... at least they earned that money and it comes from their profits. Unions stole their money through dues that they forced their members to pay.
Although, if you really want to talk about elections, I think each candidate should only get a set amount of money for the whole election, but that's just me.
Like Americans would know Socialism. From an American point of View, everything slightly controlled is called Socialism. On the otherhand Socialism got a negative ring in America. I life in germany, and if you would compare germany with america every neo-con would go apeshit and scream communism out loud.