|Vox Populi Vox Dei|
First thing I'll point out is that Zucca-Xerfantes refer to me a G-Warmist, I found this a little strange. You think he'd use something more classic like commie rat, Red scum or if he was feeling exotic Żydokomuna. Also while I have uploaded a few pieces on environmental issues you could hardly say It's my main focus so why he decided to label me an environmental is rather telling in my opinion.
Now let’s get the meat of the Issue Non-violence and violent struggle. Now I get it many people believe that non-violence is the best way forward and I understand where their coming from. But I disagree on how much it came truly change.
To quote Zucca "These folks show up, make their point, say what's on their mind, clean up and go home." But that's the problem. no in power is going to care that you stood on their lawn for a few hours and then when home. In no way does that challenge the power structure or it's injustices
Zucca-Xerfantes did bring up the examples that everyone does of Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Now while they did use non-violent methods there were also pro active, they did things that would disrupt the system means to function, that is not the same a most protests today. Also we have to remember when it comes to Gandhi That there were a number of rebellions against the British authorities during the 30s and the effects of the Second World War made hanging on to India too costly for Britain the end of the Raj was a given after 1945 so it made sense to work with the moderate forces.
The civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s did much to uplift Black Americans but it was pro-active in how it when about making demands, it disrupted the functions enforced segregation, and it still took 10 years before the Voting Rights Act to be passed and desegregation when on well in the 1970s.
And despite the great efforts of those like MLK (let’s not lie to ourselves) America is still a very hostile place for Black people, many especially in the Southern states hold on racist view that were drilled into the white population during the Antebellum Era. Regardless of how honest, law abiding, or hardworking black people are they get portrayed as and made to feel worthlessness by society. All the while reactionary forces do all they can to undermine to civil rights movement.
On to my apparently favourite topic VIOLENCE!!! and it's use in Revolution.
First of all most of us don't like the idea of violence for reasons that are obvious or take any pleaser in the idea. That doesn't mean we can rule it out, after all Revolution is not a dinner party. You can’t under take radical change and there not be repercussions. To view violent revolution without context of it era and the forces involved is completely ahistorical.
The revolutionary must have not only principles but also a strategy, a diplomacy, a defense policy and all the responsibilities and consequent impurities that such things entail. Without these thing true change simply isn’t possible.
As I pointed out, those in power will not give up power without a fight. The English Civil War, French Revolution and Russian Revolution and Civil War are proof enough of this but for a good example I can come strange home for Zucca with the issue of Slavery in the United States.
For years Abolitionists such as William Lloyd Garrison protested peacefully against the institute of slavery. In that same time the Slave Power or Slaveocracy took every opportunity to expand its reach and struck out at those who even came close to threatening it ever more violently. When Abraham Lincoln was elected President he was very much a moderate (The Republican Party ran on a platform of opposing the expansion of slavery rather than ending it), But in the eyes of the slave holding class he may well have been John Brown and began to seceded from the Union before Lincoln was even sworn into office. Even at that point Lincoln tried to be diplomatic attempting to pass legislation that would protect slavery. A few days later Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter and unleashed a civil war that would devastate much of the country. Even at this point it wasn’t until 1863 that the Emancipation Proclamation was put into play and not until 1865 that the Thirteenth Amendment was put in place outlawing slavery.
To cut a long story short no matter how peaceful or moderate Abolitionists or Free Soilists were in their actions or words. The Slaveocracy refused pointblank to deal with the issue of slavery and in the end wreaked most of the southern states fighting to protect that institute. So the Union had to go head to head and beat them the only way they could be.
It is easy to condemn the revolutions of the last two centuries and forget many of the rights and privileges we have today are a result of the fight those brave men and women who faced seemingly insurmountable odds with all the fear and courage of ordinary humans took up. To condemn their actions totally is to condemn the struggle for a better world and a better future for all of us.
As always leave your opinions in the comment section. Let me know what you think.